Philosophy

» pink101 - The Problems

In response to The Problems posted by spiritalk:
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If I am getting a handle on fluidity, it seems like the idea, that it is the flow of the thought process from left to right and right to left within the brain, makes sense.
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I took one of those internet tests the other day on which side of the brain is most active. It was interesting.
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A lot of men are creative and a lot of women are just as dull as any dork I've ever met.
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No, there is something else about women that goes beyond what men understand--the mysteriousness. Perhaps it has something to do with their sense of seeing or thinking beyond--maybe their abilities toward knowing with having a foundation for knowing? Maybe the gift of poetics? (Is that a word?
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» RLSharp - The Problems

In response to The Problems posted by pink101:

I agree, Pink. We can't overgeneralize. However, the fluidity feminists mean is more about flexibility in thought. The idea is that men praise consistency, while women are willing to change their minds. In derogatory language (perhaps, sexist language?) this would be called whim or capriciousness. But feminists try to reclaim the idea by making flexibility positive and saying that overconsistency can often be stubborness rather than integrity.

In many ways, this gets to the heart of the problem with Bush, for some people. Is he showing integrity and consistency by seeing things through or is he just being stubborn and not admitting he made a mistake in his war on terror?

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» pink101 - Flexibility

In response to The Problems posted by RLSharp:
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Yupper, there's something to that idea of flexibility.
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In a certain sense, it cannot be nailed down. I wonder if women even are aware of the fact of the mysteriousness of their ways. Maybe they just think of it as some inateness that goes beyond the minds of men?
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Capriciousness? I change my mind quite often.
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When my wife was a girl of 13 (She turns 75 this month), when I first met her, she was writing poetry that was way over her head. Where did those thoughts come from? From her own mind, of course; but, she was glomming on to something that was beyond her--that's a mystery.
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» paper_turtle - The Problems

In response to The Problems posted by RLSharp:

RLSharp wrote:
the fluidity feminists mean is more about flexibility in thought. The idea is that men praise consistency, while women are willing to change their minds. In derogatory language (perhaps, sexist language?) this would be called whim or capriciousness. But feminists try to reclaim the idea by making flexibility positive and saying that overconsistency can often be stubborness rather than integrity.

Think about the traits which would be beneficial in raising a child who will become a happy, mentally healthy adult. Flexibility is very important (IMO). Insistence on strict adherence to a particular rule is not always the most productive approach. It can lead to helplessness or rebellion. Flexibility implies being able to admit one is wrong and another option might be better.

I think there is a difference between capriciousness and being flexible. We call an act capricious when we judge that the reason for changing ones mind were illogical. But not being able to follow another person's reasoning does not necessarily mean the other person was being illogical.
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In many ways, this gets to the heart of the problem with Bush, for some people. Is he showing integrity and consistency by seeing things through or is he just being stubborn and not admitting he made a mistake in his war on terror?

From my point of view, Bush is being stubborn, and his stubbornness is born of fear. As I see it, he can't admit he's wrong about "A" because this admission would also, in his mind, imply that "B," "C," and "D" might also be wrong. If he's wrong he loses face. He fears appearing weak.

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» paper_turtle - Flexibility

In response to Flexibility posted by pink101:

Phil wrote:
In a certain sense, it cannot be nailed down. I wonder if women even are aware of the fact of the mysteriousness of their ways. Maybe they just think of it as some inateness that goes beyond the minds of men?
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Well, I wonder if men realize how strange they sometimes seem to women? LOL When a person looks out at the world he thinks whatever he sees is the norm for everyone. But we all perceive things differently and are apt to feel any way of thinking other than our own is at least a little odd.
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Capriciousness? I change my mind quite often.
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My ex's inability to make up his mind and stick with his decisions was one of the major sources of difficulty in our relationship.
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When my wife was a girl of 13 (She turns 75 this month), when I first met her, she was writing poetry that was way over her head. Where did those thoughts come from? From her own mind, of course; but, she was glomming on to something that was beyond her--that's a mystery.
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I'm not sure that's a uniquely feminine trait. When my son was very small he often said things so very profound they took my breath away. I have no idea where his thoughts came from. I would think he was much too young to be absorbing what he could pick up from adult conversation--and very often what he said seemed to come straight out of the blue.

One day (around age 3) he told me he had been thinking about a question (I think it was what might have existed before the Big Bang). He said he had thought about it until his head hurt. He concluded: some questions had no answers and this lack of answers was a very good thing because it teaches a person to stretch their minds and then let go.

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» pink101 - Viva La Difference!!

In response to Flexibility posted by paper_turtle:
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Yes, I see your point and agree.
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Robert pointed out that we can't overgeneralize in the ideas involved here. The traits show up across the board. The test I took about "braid-sidedness" shows that people use both sides of their brain; but, maybe one moreso than the other. Men and women share quite a bit more physically and mentally than we are ready to admit. And, that often confuses us.
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Viva La Difference!!
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» spiritalk - The Problems

In response to The Problems posted by pink101:
Perhaps because of this creative flow, women are more inclined to trust their own instincts? The gut feelings we all have can be the still, small, voice within and some listen, while others ignore (I have found at their own peril).

God bless, J

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» spiritalk - The Problems

In response to The Problems posted by RLSharp:
While I don't particularly like political arguments, the fact is there is a different mindset generally between men and women. Of that, we can all agree. What it is can be a question of how it is expressed.

A recent incident outlines this...In meditation, consistency of the scene on which we meditate and the symbol we use for connection, can produce good results. While many like to use random visions, that produce ramdom results.

God bless, J

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» spiritalk - Flexibility

In response to Flexibility posted by pink101:
Most poets acknowledge a 'muse' in their work. Spirit input? Interesting to think about.

BTW I one time brought forth a poem and you are talking about the least poetic person I know! I could feel it came from someone else.

God bless, J

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» spiritalk - Viva La Difference!!

In response to Viva La Difference!! posted by pink101:
I was coming to that conclusion too! To generalize is never productive. We are all unique and individual persons. It is what we do with what we have that is of importance.

There are physical, physchological and even mental differences between the genders, but not as much so as between one another. Our environment colours our experiences as much as our birth.

God bless, J

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